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Pilning station - services and campaigns (merged posts)
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Re: Pilning revisited - Saturday 28th September 2024
Posted by grahame at 19:15, 29th September 2024
 
Pilning has shades of Longcross on the Reading to Waterloo line, in that the catalyst for it to rise like a phoenix might well be new housing.

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I have not visited Longcross though I remember calling there must be 50 years ago.  In terms of stations that were dire, I have taken a look at various ones in the past such that have been in that category such as as Breich, Teeside Airport, Melksham, Altnabreac, Morfa Mawddach, Copplestone, Tygwyn.    Some are worthy of a further study / look but some like Tywyn feel just too far from anywhere.

Re: Pilning revisited - Saturday 28th September 2024
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:50, 29th September 2024
 
Pilning has shades of Longcross on the Reading to Waterloo line, in that the catalyst for it to rise like a phoenix might well be new housing.

Longcross featured in numerous YouTube videos from the likes of Geoff Marshall last decade when it only had a smattering of trains a day.  One exit from the station led to a locked gate onto Wentworth Golf Course (and still does).  The other exit had either keycoded access to Longcross Studios or a footpath that led to a permitted bridleway and the nearest public road access which is half a mile away.

Passenger usage was as low as 266 a year in the mid 2000s, though it had picked up a little to the 2000 mark a decade later with a slight increase in services presumably traffic to and from the studios.   Extremely low figures however for a suburban station only 20 miles from London.

Then towards the end of the 2010s, Longcross Garden Village was constructed.  Making use of the existing station facility, proper paved and lit footpath access was constructed (a few minutes walk and still no road access, and little prospect of there being unless the studios close) and the station received a bit of a tart up.  It then gained a regular all day stop on all services that used to pass by from the December 2019 timetable.  That gave it two trains per hour.

Obviously Covid-19 then arrived and it's only in the last couple of years that usage has really blossomed, up to a smidge under 100000 passengers for the 2022-23 latest published figures.

Fantastic growth, but it remains a curious little station.  Perhaps a model for Pilning, and worth a fact finding visit if you've not been already, Graham?

Re: Pilning revisited - Saturday 28th September 2024
Posted by Mark A at 10:02, 29th September 2024
 
A Saturday walk from Severn Beach to Pilning can be very rewarding, albeit when I last walked it, the day was punctuated by an inconvenient** earthquake.

Panoramic views of the Severn Estuary and its bridges aside, the second photo is the top of the heel post of a little pedestrian gate protecting a long-vanished level crossing on the line from Pilning to the ferry.

Close to the current Pilning Station and hidden in a hedge, the rather more robust support and substantial ironwork for one of the level crossing gates there was once to be found, and perhaps it's there still.

The new palisade fence and gate at Pilning Station's car park entrance, that will certainly be a precursor to the station being closed to passengers.

Mark

** Fortunately not actually inconvenient, earthquakes in combination with the Severn estuary have serious connotations.




Pilning revisited - Saturday 28th September 2024
Posted by grahame at 09:26, 29th September 2024
 
A History

Pilning Station would have been called "Pilning Road" in times gone by to signify that it's the nearest station to Pilning, though not actually situated within the community who's name it takes. It's where it is for historic reasons - as a former junction station, and also situated on a level section of track before the main line slopes away towards the Severn Tunnel.

The original line to New Passage Pier was the way to Wales in earlier railway days, then a branch from that curved round to Severn Beach, and finally the Severn Tunnel line opened.  New Passage Pier closed at around that point, the line to Severn Beach surviving until the Beeching era with several halts including one in the township of Pilning itself.  Pilning (High Level - the station on the line to the tunnel) took on a new life as a motorail terminal from the coming of private motor cars, until the first Severn Bridge opened and took that traffic away.

So although developments carried on, including lots more residents and residences even on the old trackbeds, the stations "at" Pilning faded from being a key passenger point into a less used station. It remains important operationally important, with loops to allow faster trains to bypass slower ones - usually the odd freight of works train put into the loops. Those loops are glistening shiny, but yet I've not seen trains stabled there on visits as train after train comes out of or disappears down towards the tunnel on the fast through lines.

So what of Pilning Station?  It faded, with services dropping off the timetable from a service through the day to a sparse peak only service (clock-face arrived, but Pilning was not on the clock), and then further dropped to just a token ("Parliamentary") service on Saturdays.  Full closure would have resulted in a complex, expensive and unpopular process, and re-instatement of a usable service would have brought the question "Useable for whom?".   For sure, there would have been some users but at that time and without other measures away from the railway they would have been sparse.   This was not MetroLand where the London Underground network was built with residential estates around the stations to generate the commuter traffic.

A decade ago, Pilning station had two platforms, a footbridge connecting them, and not much else. The eastbound platform was and still is accessed from a large flat parking area, one end away from the approach road being a scrapyard. The Westbound was only accessed by the bridge - an "island" platform on the main line, with the freight loop passing around the back of it. I never saw a level / barrow crossing but I'm sure there must have been one in the past.   And this layout was a distinct problem when the time came to electrify the line.

The footbridge to access the westbound island was old (and I don't know what condition it was in - said to be poor?). It was, I understand, too low to run overhead electric cables underneath it. It was certainly not "Accessible for All" - no lift, no slopes, no level or near-level way across. What to do about it? 

The next station up the line at Patchway had a similar footbridge and that has been replaced by a higher bridge with lift - but that station has a train each way every hour, not just every week. Stations like Filton Abbey Wood and Stapleton Road have magnificent footbridges and slopes - major engineering pieces that feel like sledgehammers to crack walnuts even in those much busier cases.  The question may have briefly been raised about a back access but the freight loop rules that out and people ma have even wondered about a subway under that line of even the main lines. But yet all of these are ridiculous ideas when looked at in relation to their anticipated use.  A strong local campaign called for a new footbridge, perhaps re-using a redundant higher bridge taken from several suggested stations; I'm not sure how serious that may have been looked at but it certainly flew in the face of "rules" and requirements for wheelchair access - and help for the rest of the very few who would have heavy luggage, babes in push chars, etc.

The solution adopted has been simply to close the Westbound platform. Trains now only serve Pilning, two trains on a Saturday, and only eastbound towards Bristol. This flies in the face of usability. 90% of rail journeys, I understand, are part of 2 way return trips.  Yes, you CAN do it by doubling back.  To South Wales there's sign at the station showing you the times.  From Bristol, there's no clue as to how you might get back.  Almost as if the people who run the station don't actually want to encourage (or even provide information) to have people use it.

Pilning (Station) to Temple Meads in the city of Bristol in 21 minutes is rather good. The bus from Pilning to Bristol Parkway takes 42 minutes; add time to transfer there to the train plus the train time into the city and you're up to over the hour if you're lucky.  The difference between being commutable and not.

As an aside - was the solution adopted "correct in the circumstances" and were "all options explored".  There were strong suggestions that it was done without proper consultations, with the local communities not being properly informed / taken by surprise.  It certainly is NOT one of Network Rail's finest hours, to put it mildly.  There are questions raised over the legality of some of how things were done or not, and bigger questions about the moral choices made in the process - it seems that a station was rendered impractical for normal passenger to use - "closed" to them - without going through a closure procedure an consultation that is provided for, and for very good reason, in law.  HOWEVER we are where we are, and I don't personally see the best way forward to be raking back over these issues.  I am concerned about a precent having been set and indeed I hear mention of Teeside Airport and Polesworth.  End of aside.

Pilning Station yesterday

There's a new barricaded gate at the bottom of the entrance drive - with a passenger entry there.  The gate was open; I wonder when it is open, when closed, and how it fits with the advertised "Car Parking Available" claimed by the National Rail website.



The car park / yard is much cleaner than it use to be, though the gate to the platform is far from obvious.  There's not the big piles of junk, nor the loose "guard" dog which in practise just woofed a bit.  The phone box is gone; there is a help point but no passenger information displays and no PA system, so nothing to suggest whether your train is running and on time.



Two notice board panels - one telling you how to travel from Pilning but only to Bristol and to South Wales, and nothing about going further, nor about getting back. The other suggesting how useful a business account is for rail travel; not something that I could imagine would be used much here.



The platform is clean enough - a short section has flagstones but much is rough cinders with just a more solid edge. The platform HAS been fitted with tactile edging for its full 5 carriage length. The old station building is shuttered with rusty stutters and even the stumps of the footbridge have gone.  Signs tell you to be careful of fishing gear near the overhead electrics.





Checking Open Train Times, I saw the train approaching Severn Tunnel Junction and indeed it rolled in a few minutes later. A five car IET, described as running through to Penzance and running under electric power.  One passenger got off, and I was the only one to join. Perhaps a third of the seats taken; neither quiet nor crowded



Looking forward, our train manager let us know that passengers for Penzance would need to change at Temple Meads, as our train was carrying on as the 16:00 to London (Paddington) ... and so it was that I stayed on the train all the way to Swindon.

So there you go - Pilning yesterday, my first ever experience of leaving there on an electric service, and and first time in my personal knowledge of a through train from Pilning to London.

The future at Pilning

And this section could be even longer than the article so far!

* Our new government is looking for major housebuilding and especially near existing public transport infrastructure.  How about somewhere 20 minutes from Bristol, and Newport, and close to Cardiff

* The line through the operational platform at Pilning is signalled for bidirectional operation

* There is no passenger reason for the station to be located where it is, and new platforms off the B road / bus route on the outskirts of the village would look to be slope accessible; to the freight loops, mind.

* Pilning and especially that B road are physically close to the Severnside business area and the new motorway junction recently put in there, and could be engineered without the need to drive through the village

* It's not far from Thornbury and would make a logical railhead and Pilning has expanded (note my earlier comments on trackbed being built on) and merged with Redwick

* The railway is now electric - clean, fast train acceleration, and TfW are proposing a much higher frequency of local trains from Cardiff though to Bristol and additional stations (but only on the Welsh side!!)

* There are local concerns / desires to improve rail services at Pilning, but fear of developments that will bring many more in and change the nature of the place. 

* Gapping (dead sections) in overhead electrification, and having cables rise and fall (Steventon / Didcot) that may effect bridge clearance.

Edit to spell check - I have changed a platform of "Rough ciders" into "rough cinders" much though a cider festival there might help draw the crowds!

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by chuffed at 15:03, 28th June 2021
 
As reported in RAIL by Barry Doe, the latest error strewn version of the NRT, has Pilning inserted between Newport and Severn Tunnel Junction.
Takes a lot to put a station in the wrong country !

They could have, at least, called it Pielota.

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by grahame at 08:46, 19th June 2021
 
Its a good thought,but I thought all new rail footbridges had to have access for wheelchair users.

Indeed. I think it could be done with that new type of footbridge with the slope rather than step option - ((here))

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by infoman at 08:07, 19th June 2021
 
Its a good thought,but I thought all new rail footbridges had to have access for wheelchair users.

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by johnneyw at 00:10, 19th June 2021
 
This might improve the prospects for rebridging the two platforms at Pilning:

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/network-rail-develops-new-type-of-footbridge

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by Red Squirrel at 12:16, 29th November 2020
 
Pilning gets a mention in the West of England 10 Year Rail Delivery Plan for Investment: 2020 - 2030 (see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=24296.msg297475#msg297475), under 'Pipeline Projects, New Stations Fund, Restoring Your Railway and other schemes that could come forward 2020 to 2030'

Restoring Your Railway
A Restoring Your Railway New Ideas bid was submitted by WECA to the Department for Transport in June 2020 for Bristol West Capacity Enhancement (Bristol Temple Meads to Parson Street). Other bids submitted were:

[...]

? Pilning Station ? Pilning Station Action Group supported by Jack Lopresti MP.
Bid is for increased services and a new footbridge.


Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 18:45, 18th October 2020
 
From Twitter.. https://mobile.twitter.com/PilningStation/status/1317365279584886790

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by johnneyw at 14:05, 18th October 2020
 
Looks like Pining station approach took a bit of a bash very recently....pic from Facebook:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/2640349129543811?view=permalink&id=2764249733820416&fs=1&focus_composer=0

Mods/admin, please move this if a more relevant thread exists.

A private group ... which (however) I've just applied to join. 

Arrgh, I forgot it was a private group. What the picture showed was the yellow "maximum height" access gate on the approach ramp that seems to have been struck by something (think bridge strike) and now looks like it could cause significant delays for emergency vehicle access.

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by grahame at 13:56, 18th October 2020
 
Looks like Pining station approach took a bit of a bash very recently....pic from Facebook:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/2640349129543811?view=permalink&id=2764249733820416&fs=1&focus_composer=0

Mods/admin, please move this if a more relevant thread exists.

A private group ... which (however) I've just applied to join. 

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by johnneyw at 13:50, 18th October 2020
 
Looks like Pining station approach took a bit of a bash very recently....pic from Facebook:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/2640349129543811?view=permalink&id=2764249733820416&fs=1&focus_composer=0

Mods/admin, please move this if a more relevant thread exists.

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by Red Squirrel at 21:29, 13th February 2020
 
Our area is already becoming better connected, and I eagerly anticipate seeing the benefits of £350 million of investment in transport infrastructure over the next 20 years, but there are some issues that need addressing. First, a regular service must be restored to Pilning railway station. We are lucky enough in my constituency to have the Wave, the first inland surfing lake of its kind in England, on the edge of Pilning and Easter Compton. That amazing facility opened recently and will attract thousands of tourists. If we do not want people to drive there, which would put pressure on rural road networks with limited capacity, it would be sensible to ensure that they have a reliable rail service, especially because there is a railway station already on the door step.

Source: Jack Lopresti, MP for Filton and Bradley Stoke, Hansard 13 Feb 2020

My italics.

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by grahame at 14:56, 30th August 2019
 
Ultimately it barely serves nearby Pilning village, and yes it would be ideal to have connections to the South Wales Mainline however it’s statistics only increased after the campaign to reopen the second platform was made public. A lot of the passengers are enthusiasts or travellers who find the station interesting. Before this it was getting usage below 100 people per year.

If you are going to improve the station you might as well go all out, asking for 2tph to serve it is optimistic.

Why do stations gets less that two passengers a day?    It could be because there aren't the trains calling there that people want to use, or it could be because there aren't the people to use the trains.     Here's a mapped example of each:


On the left, a station with two trains per week.    On the right, a station with very few people around to use the trains, though 44 call there on request each week.

The number of service at Pining is identical to the number of services that call at the station shown on the left map here ... just off a motorway junction, a big car park across, industry and housing.   No matter how fabulous the area around a station is - ripe with potential traffic - you ain't going to get a huge upturn unless you raise the service level.    And that service level, surely should be out and back journeys.

I agree with the petitioner that a both-way service should be offered.   I agree it should be far, far more than two calls a week.    I do not agree it should be "calls on request" - the number of passengers with a station in both directions and an appropriate service (and probably with much better reach to both employment and residences) should be such that every Taunton - Cardiff train has to call anyway.


Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by johnneyw at 13:12, 30th August 2019
 
Other threads on this forum have discussed the growing new employment centre nearby, the relocation of the station to exploit this and the emergence of SEWWEB. All these factors could make the rebuilding of the bridge unnecessary. It really is down to a longer term view being needed as to what to do there.

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by CMRail at 11:56, 30th August 2019
 
Ultimately it barely serves nearby Pilning village, and yes it would be ideal to have connections to the South Wales Mainline however it’s statistics only increased after the campaign to reopen the second platform was made public. A lot of the passengers are enthusiasts or travellers who find the station interesting. Before this it was getting usage below 100 people per year.

If you are going to improve the station you might as well go all out, asking for 2tph to serve it is optimistic.

Re: Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by johnneyw at 11:19, 30th August 2019
 
The language is perhaps a tad confrontational but I suppose it helps highlight the issue.

Petition - Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop
Posted by grahame at 09:52, 30th August 2019
 
From Parliament Petitions

Petition

Reopen Pilning Station's 2nd platform and make it a request stop

Great Western Railway run a shoddy service at Pilning Station, to artificially lower passenger stats. Network Rail shut the 2nd platform, without public consultation, to avoid paying for a replacement footbridge.

Order Network Rail to reopen the 2nd platform & order GWR to run more trains.

There are 3,647 living in Pilning, who could be using this station if it was not being deliberately hobbled by GWR:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilning

The Pilning Station page on Wikipedia shows that Network Rail removed a footbridge during electrification works, rather than replace it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilning_railway_station

There is popular support to improve the station:
https://www.pilningstation.uk/
https://twitter.com/PilningStation

Please do the right thing.

Brought to forum members' attention ... comment / thought welcome.

Re: Private Eye on Pilning
Posted by grahame at 11:33, 27th June 2019
 
They have good and correct research which I'm sure one or two of our team here will personally confirm. Chris Grayling also visited another station that certain members were concerned about at that time; in that case, w have seen an improvement from unusable to poor but usable in the years since.

Pilning station - services and campaigns (merged posts)
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